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- Subject: Info-Hams Digest V93 #1285
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-
- Info-Hams Digest Fri, 29 Oct 93 Volume 93 : Issue 1285
-
- Today's Topics:
- BAUD VS BAUDS
- Bird watt-meters can't be exported?
- Is the band dead -- or nobody on?
- Packet radio
- Problems with Kenwood TM-742A
- Rebuild NiCd battery for HT
- Schematic for Icom IC-701
- SuperCharger Alkaline charger RVW
- Unauthorized equipment?
- VSWR Conversion chart (2 msgs)
- What logging program for CQ WW DX?
-
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-
- Date: 29 Oct 93 12:32:34 GMT
- From: news.service.uci.edu!paris.ics.uci.edu!csulb.edu!library.ucla.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.umbc.edu!haven.umd.edu!cs.umd.edu!dtix.dt.navy.mil!oasys!kstuart@network.ucsd.edu
- Subject: BAUD VS BAUDS
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- Well, someone can follow up on this comment, but when I got started
- in digital, back in the 6502 era, BPS represented the number of actual
- BITS being transmitted, including start and stop bits, and BAUD represented
- only the number of DATA bits being transmitted. Therefore, a word format
- of 8 data bits plus one start and one stop bit (10 bit total) being
- sent at 100 BPS would actually have a BAUD rate of only 80.
-
- Of course, this is assuming standard RS-232, etc.
-
- Any comments, corrections on this? Let's hear from the group.
-
- Of course, definitions change with time. Lotsa years ago, electrical
- current flowed from positive to negative. Then, in the vacuum tube
- era, current was redefined as the flow of electrons on a conductor,
- and this "reversed" the flow of current to go from negative to positive.
- Then, along came transistors, and current was redefined as the flow
- of "holes" in a conductor (or semiconductor) - so current now flowed
- from positive to negative once again.
-
- And finally: today, with the massive budget cuts in the electronics industry,
- the flow of current has almost stopped altogether!!!
-
-
- 73.
- Ken Stuart, W3VVN
- kstuart@oasys.dt.navy.mil
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1993 22:25:54 GMT
- From: spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!cyber2.cyberstore.ca!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!unixg.ubc.ca!acs.ucalgary.ca!cpsc.ucalgary.ca!ajfcal!lhaven.UUmh.Ab.Ca!combdyn!@sdd.hp.com
- Subject: Bird watt-meters can't be exported?
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- In article <4724@eram.esi.COM.AU> dave@esi.COM.AU (Dave Horsfall) writes:
- >So, what's with the "Not available for export" notation across the
- >photo of the Bird meter in the Barry ads? Too delicate? Upsets
- >someone's monopoly? Munitions? Classified equipment?
- >
- I often wondered about that.....
-
- I've seen Bird wattmeters around here....infact there's a whole bunch available
- under surplus sales from the local phone company.
-
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- ------------------------------
-
- Date: 29 Oct 1993 11:53:20 -0700
- From: sdd.hp.com!swrinde!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!olivea!apple.com!apple.com!not-for-mail@network.ucsd.edu
- Subject: Is the band dead -- or nobody on?
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- rdewan@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Rajiv Dewan) writes:
-
- >In article <1993Oct27.200502.9559@VFL.Paramax.COM>, Pete Rossi wrote:
- >>I was talking to a friend about how dead the bands seemed lately - 10 meters
- >>especially, yet we both noted the following:
- >>
- >>Why is it that the band can be open to a specific area of the world yet you
- >>only hear a very few stations from that area??
- >>
- >>For example, the other night I was tuning around 15 meters about 9 PM local
- >>time (0100Z) and it sounded pretty dead .. but then I heard this one "PY"
- >>station. He has a reasonable signal but nothing else was on the band.
- >>It is hard to believe that in the whole continent of South America this
- >>was the only station on. I could not hear the W station he was working.
-
- >Propagation is one of the most fascinating aspects of HF Dxing.
- >The PY signal propagation is probably a case of low lattitude propagation
- >This is somewhat common. It may occur for a variety of reasons.
-
-
- Dead bands? Just wait until 0000 UTC October 30.
-
- I predict the phone bands would come alive at that time, although
- not with intelligent QSOs :-).
-
- Hint: see page 88 of the September 1993 CQ Magazine.
-
- 73,
-
- Kok "5903" Chen, AA6TY kchen@apple.com
- Apple Computer, Inc.
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: 30 Oct 93 00:43:38 GMT
- From: news-mail-gateway@ucsd.edu
- Subject: Packet radio
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- Could you please help me out. I found your name in a packet-radio data
- base and I'm trying to find out more about this world. Am I right that
- packet-radio means access to the internet by connecting a computer up to a
- ham radio which communicates with a satelite which is somehow connected to
- the internet?
-
- The reason I ask is because my brother has a computer and a ham radio and
- is an engineer working in third world development in Zaire, Africa.
- Communications are horrible there and this would be one incredible miracle
- if something like this could be established. If I'm on the right track,
- how does a person get started?
-
- Thanks in advance for any help you can give me.
-
-
- ----------
- "He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep
- to gain what he cannot lose." -- Jim Elliot
- ----------
-
- Larry Fountain
- University of Illinois College of Medicine -- Rockford
- Network Administrator, Department of Medicine
- (815) 395-5645
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: 29 Oct 93 22:12:16 GMT
- From: telesoft!garym@uunet.uu.net
- Subject: Problems with Kenwood TM-742A
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- In <CFo2pq.IHo@news.iastate.edu> jdwhite@iastate.edu (Jason White) writes:
- > I purchased a Kenwood TM-742A a couple weeks ago. I have noticed some
- >quirks with the unit and would like to hear from other 742A owners about their
- >experiences with this rig.
-
- The first 742A I received from HRO had problems with setting CTCSS tones,
- I would set a 114 PL in the VFO but then when stored to memory it would
- change to 67 Hz. I have the TSU-7 installed and no third band (yet).
- HRO replaced that radio, they had to go thru 7 radios in their stock on
- hand to find one where the PL's worked properly and there was another
- customer in the store with a 742 with the same problem.
-
- > ==> Initially, I had the 6M band unit installed as the third band. After the
- >first 3 hours of use, I went into DTSS mode on the 440 band. The unit froze
- >up and appeared to turn itself off.
- ...
- >finally got into a mode where it would turn on (show "-on-" on the display)
- >and then turn back off rather than display the three bands.
-
- My 742A got into this mode after I tried to turn on the S-meter squelch mode.
- HRO swapped it for another unit and it works, but I'm afraid to try S-meter
- squelch again right now (The radio is being heavily used for RACES Fire
- Emergency ops right now). So I'm on my third 742 in 10 days. I'm not
- real impressed by Kenwood quality control at the moment.
-
- > ==> I have noticed that the
- >unit will beep and stop scanning on the 2M side, seemingly at random.
-
- I haven't seen this happen.
-
- >Anyone know of a mod to speed up the
- >scan rate? 2 ch/sec is too darn slow!
-
- For a radio with 100 channels per band, the scan rate is ridiculously slow.
-
- I've redirected followups to r.r.a.equipment only.
- --GaryM
- --
- Gary Morris KK6YB Internet: garym@alsys.com
- San Diego, CA USA Phone: +1 619-457-2700 x128 (work)
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1993 17:18:22 GMT
- From: sdd.hp.com!math.ohio-state.edu!cyber2.cyberstore.ca!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!newsserver.sfu.ca!sfu.ca!jjook@network.ucsd.edu
- Subject: Rebuild NiCd battery for HT
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- Hi:
-
- Does any one has experience to rebuild the NiCd battery pack for
- hand held radio. I would like to make one. Can someone tell me
- where they can buy good NiCd battery cells and what kind of epoxy
- to seal the battery pack. Also, any special things you want to
- remind me, please do so.
-
- Thanks
-
- Dominic
- VE7VOC
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: 29 Oct 93 22:12:44 GMT
- From: ogicse!uwm.edu!psuvax1!news.cc.swarthmore.edu!mac01.palmer.swarthmore.edu!user@network.ucsd.edu
- Subject: Schematic for Icom IC-701
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- Does any one out there have a schematic diagram for an Icom IC-701 HF
- transciever? Ours is broken, and we seem to have no documentation for it,
- but we think that we can fix it with a schematic. Any help would be
- greatly appreciated, and this is for a good cause, the Swarthmore College
- Amateur Radio Club. If you can help me, or are intimately familiar with
- this rig, PLEASE contact me. Thanks.
-
- Isaac Trefz
- NJ3C
-
- Swarthmore College
- Swarthmore, Pa. 19081
- (215) 692-7673
- itrefz1@cc.swarthmore.edu
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Wed, 27 Oct 93 16:27:19 PDT
- From: news.kpc.com!amd!netcomsv!micromed!brett@decwrl.dec.com
- Subject: SuperCharger Alkaline charger RVW
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- Review of the SUPER CHARGER Alkaline battery re-charger
-
- You may have seen the info-mercial on TV staring Dick Clarke, which
- advertises a product called Super Charger, by Buddy L. It claims
- that this charger will recharge ordinary, alkaline batteries, such
- as Eveready, Duracell etc. The product is not related to Rayovac's
- new rechargeable alkaline system.
-
- I ordered the portable model 8001 in early July, and it arrived in
- late October. I have heard much debate over whether alkaline
- chemistry can be recharged, and I was very skeptical about this
- product. It cost around $40.
-
- Construction:
- The device is made in China. It appears to be fairly well made. It
- has a switch on the side to select either Alkaline or NiCad charging.
- I opened the unit up and found a 28-pin custom IC, that bears the
- name of Buddy L. There are some other common passive components and
- 4 transistors. There are 4 LEDs on the unit to tell you when each
- battery is finished charging ON = charging, SLOW BLINK = done
- FAST BLINK = battery can't be recharged
-
- The charging scheme seems to be constant current at 14 mA. No AC
- component was observed on the DC output.
-
-
- HOW DOES IT WORK?
- TEST #1
- My first test was to take some slightly used AA Energizer batteries
- with a starting no-load voltage of 1.4v. I put these in a 2-cell
- flashlight and ran it for 1 hour. The resting no-load voltage was
- now 1.23v. I put them in the charger and charged them up. One of
- cells stoped charging after 30 minutes, while the other took over
- an hour. The final no-load voltage of the 2 "recharged" cells was
- 1.27v for one of the cells and 1.33v for the other. Recharging the
- cells a second time did not raise the voltage any. In fact, it
- caused one of the cells to drop in voltage. The manual says that
- 1 hour in a flashlight is a pretty heavy drain, but the batteries
- could last "0 to 2 times longer". So maybe my test was too tough
- for the charger. I think the increased voltage after the charge may
- be no more than the natural recovery process of the batteries.
-
- TEST #2
- I took 2 AA Energizer Alkaline batteries with an initial voltage of
- 1.59 v. each, and placed them in my Sony portable CD player. The
- manual states that the batteries should last 5-8 times as long if
- I recharge them after each 1 hour of use. After 1 hour in the CD
- player they each measured 1.39v. I also put another set of batteries
- in the CD player and ran them for 1 hour. This second set is my
- control set. Instead of recharging the control set, I just let them
- recover on their own, for the same time as the other cells took to
- recharge. I repeated this process until the batteries were dead.
-
- (all batteries were from same mfg. lot)
-
- (recharge) (self-recovery)
- Super Charger set Control Set
- Fresh Batteries . . . . . . . . 1.59 v. 1.59 v.
- After 1 Hr. in CD player. . . . 1.39 v. 1.37 v.
- Recharge/self-recovery (55 min) 1.44 v. 1.43 v.
- Second hour in CD player. . . . 1.30 v. 1.30 v.
- Recharge/self-recovery (200min) 1.44 v. 1.40 v.
- Third hour in CD player . . . . 1.27 v. 1.25 v.
- Recharge/self-recovery.(20 min) 1.33 v. 1.33 v.
- Fourth hour in CD player. . . . 1.26 v. 1.26 v.
- Recharge/self-recovery.(120min) 1.35 v. 1.34 v.
- Fifth hour in CD player . . . . 1.21 v. 1.18 v.
- Recharge/self-recovery.(125min) 1.33 v. 1.31 v.
- Sixth hour in CD player . . . . 25 min (died) 14 min (died)
- Recharge/self-recovery.(120min) 1.30 v. 1.29 v.
- last run in CD player . . . . . 8 min (died) 6 min (died)
-
- THE BOTTOM LINE
- Send it back! As you can see, the charger made no real difference in
- how long the batteries lasted. Alkaline batteries normally go up in
- voltage slightly when they are taken out of use (load removed). It
- seems that this Super Charger does nothing that the batteries won't
- do by themselves. Battery operated devices are normally used for
- portable applications. If you follow the manual, you would need to
- remove the batteries every few hours (or every 15 minutes for some
- devices) and recharge them! The inconveniance of this makes using
- the Super Charger a real waste of time (not to mention trying to
- keep track of how long you run each battery operated device). I did
- not test this for Nicads. $40 for a NiCad charger is a bit steep.
-
-
- Please distribute to expose this fraud
-
- Brett Miller N7OLQ @ N6LDL.#NOCAL.CA.USA.NA
- brett@micromed.com
-
- --
- brett@micromed.com (brett miller)
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1993 15:23:01 GMT
- From: spsgate!mogate!newsgate!news@uunet.uu.net
- Subject: Unauthorized equipment?
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- The Newsline article that was recently posted mentions a new FCC fines
- structure including one for "using unauthorized equipment" ($5000...yow!). Just
- what constitutes "unauthorized equipment" on the ham bands? I was under the
- impression that a ham could use about anything that met the regulations for
- spectral purity, etc.
-
- It also mentioned $17,500 for "being the source of malicious interference to
- another ham". And those fines are just for first offenses, they can be more. I
- hope they sock it to the idiot who's jamming nets on the local 2M repeater.
-
- 73... Mark AA7TA
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: 29 Oct 93 23:13:02 GMT
- From: ogicse!hp-cv!hp-pcd!hpcvsnz!tomb@network.ucsd.edu
- Subject: VSWR Conversion chart
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- Alan Bloom (alanb@sr.hp.com) wrote:
-
- : For the convenience of the Internet community, I have compiled the
- : following conversion chart from SWR to VSWR:
-
- Al, could you translate that to a formula for those of us who are
- graphically impaired?
-
- ;-)
- Tom
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: 29 Oct 93 10:14:17 GMT
- From: ogicse!uwm.edu!spool.mu.edu!agate!apple.com!apple.com!not-for-mail@network.ucsd.edu
- Subject: VSWR Conversion chart
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- tomb@lsid.hp.com (Tom Bruhns) writes:
-
- >Alan Bloom (alanb@sr.hp.com) wrote:
-
- >: For the convenience of the Internet community, I have compiled the
- >: following conversion chart from SWR to VSWR:
-
- >Al, could you translate that to a formula for those of us who are
- >graphically impaired?
-
-
- By inspection of Al's graph, the equation is obviously:
-
- VSWR = log( 10**( SWR ) ),
- and
- SWR = exp( ln( VSWR ) ).
-
- There is a very deep philosophical meaning on why both the function
- and its inverse are monotonic in nature.
-
- The proof is trivial, but the margins of my telnet window are too
- narrow for me to pass the proof along.
-
-
- 73,
-
- Kok Chen, AA6TY kchen@apple.com
- Apple Computer, Inc.
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Thu, 28 Oct 93 04:10:45 GMT
- From: sequent!muncher.sequent.com!dale@uunet.uu.net
- Subject: What logging program for CQ WW DX?
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- OK, so we now have a 40 meter beam up at my friends place
- and we want to spend a little time on the CQ WW DX contest
- this weekend.
-
- I have a laptop (small, running DOS) and would like a logging
- program for CQWW. This laptop was previously owned by another
- ham and was used on the last two field days for logging. It ran
- a program designed for field day. It has farily limited memory and
- storage so I think I'm after a fairly simple program.
-
- I would like to have someone recommend a logging progam for CQWW.
- Ideal would be something I could find on the QRX or 1992 Hamcall
- CD ROMS as I have access to those. We are just doing this for fun
- and on 40 meters only, the logging software does not have to be
- the greatest in the world, just something easier than paper dupe
- sheets is desired.
-
- 73, Dale.
-
- dale@sequent.com OR uunet!sequent!dale
- Dale Mosby 503-578-9842 N7PEX // Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
- 15450 SW Koll Parkway // Beaverton, Or. 97006-6063
-
- --
- dale@sequent.com OR uunet!sequent!dale
- Dale Mosby 503-578-9842 N7PEX // Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
- 15450 SW Koll Parkway // Beaverton, Or. 97006-6063
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: 29 Oct 93 07:09:16 GMT
- From: ogicse!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!kos4mac9.berkeley.edu!user@network.ucsd.edu
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- References <2ap28h$pj5@news.acns.nwu.edu>, <timi-281093153936@kos4mac20.berkeley.edu>, <CFo1DM.5tI@fc.hp.com>
- Subject : Re: Homonauseated (Was: Newsline #842)
-
- > Tim Ikeda (timi@mendel.berkeley.edu) wrote:
- > : Genetics isn't so simple most of the time. Any single gene can have
- > : multiple roles and effects on an organism's "fitness." Besides,
- > : there's not likely to be any single gene that affects a particular
- > : set of behaviors. Most likely, it's a combination of factors.
-
- perry@fc.hp.com (Perry Scott) wrote:
- > I am in violent agreement here. Like the discovery of Cold Fusion, I
- > choose to let Science take its course. I have yet to see research done
- > aimed at rebutting the claim that homosexuality is genetically
- > predetermined. In the current Politically Correct environment faced by
- > researchers looking for funding, I am dubious that it will happen.
-
- The data is being evaluated very critically. Research in either direction
- is really not subject to PC funding control. If anything, those studies
- attempting to link particular human behaviors with genetics are at a
- historical disadvantage. The idea of a genetic basis for a behavior
- is strongly tainted by the stench of past abuse by the eugenics movements
- of the early 1900's. I've heard the gay community is split about whether
- a genetic component for "gayness" is a good thing or not. It's a double-
- egded sword for them. The trouble is that the press (as a whole, but
- with a few exceptions), couldn't cover this research properly if their
- lives depended on it. They're also terribly poor about retractions and
- explanations. The "discovery" the alcoholism was genetic has since
- gone down in flames but you probably didn't hear a peep about it in the
- mainstream press. My guess is that there are many behaviors for which
- a person's genetics predisposes them for having. However, I think
- that in most cases (particularly for behaviors like homosexuality or
- QSR'ing), the correlation will be very weak and the connections will
- often be tenuous.
-
- The geneticist David Suzuki touched briefly on this subject in his
- recent PBS series "The Secret of Life". Richard C. Lewontin (also a
- respected geneticist) wrote a chapter which was critical about this
- research in his book "Biology as Ideology: The Doctrine of DNA"
- (Harper-Perennial: 1992? -- A good book and short enough to read
- in the bookstore if you're feeling cheap).
-
-
- > In any study of genetic aspect of homosexuality, some apparent anomolies
- > need to be explained. The most obvious is that homosexuals as a group
- > are less likely to pass their genes to the next generation. Since the
- > population appears(?) stable over time, there must be some other
- > benefit that balances the reproductive disadvantage. The question then
- > becomes "what are these advantages?" They must indeed be powerful, such
- > as in the case of sickle-cell vs malaria.
-
- The sickle-cell trait has very negative effects. It wouldn't be around
- if it didn't provide such a strong positive protection in areas rife
- with malaria. Homosexuality may not have such strong negative effects
- on reproduction, particularly if societal pressures for marriage and
- reproduction are stronger. The presence of a less-than-optimal effect
- doesn't necessarily target a gene for elimination. Besides, there's
- nowhere near enough information on this subject to know for sure.
-
- > I patiently await the answers. Until then, using genetics as some sort
- > of "justification" (as if it were needed) is on shaky ground.
-
- Yes, the jury is still out.
-
- Regards,
- Tim Ikeda
- timi@mendel.berkeley.edu
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: 29 Oct 93 21:28:15 GMT
- From: ogicse!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!news.nd.edu!mac21@network.ucsd.edu
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- References <1993Oct17.233220.19586@ssc.com>, <CF2wpI.vx@news.Hawaii.Edu>, <jlrCFL2rF.4uo@netcom.com>
- Subject : Re: Homonauseated (Was: Newsline #842)
-
- In article <jlrCFL2rF.4uo@netcom.com>, jlr@netcom.com (Joe L. Reda) wrote:
- >
- > Just what I like to see . . being lumped in with violent criminals,
- > drug pushers, rapists, etc. What century are you from? Talk about
- > empty arguments . . I've heard that one before: "We love the sinner but
- > we hate the sin!". Here's a consciousness-raiser for you: with the
- > exception of homosexuality, all of the above behaviors are learned or
- > chosen. No one *chooses* to be gay. Ever heard of genetics?
-
- It must be nice to be omniscient. I had the distinct impression that
- possible genetic predispositions to violence were under investigation, but
- you state categorically that all such behaviors are learned or chosen,
- while "no one" chooses to be gay. Do you really mean to suggest such a
- striking disparity between the gene pools of the ancient Greeks
- (practically all men bisexual), modern Europeans (gay and bisexual behavior
- considered the exception but tolerated to various degrees), and Polynesians
- (gay behavior normative for many tribes during adolescence but proscribed
- among adults)? This sort of observation would lead me to think that
- homosexuality (including the various definitions of the term), like the
- widely differing versions of heterosexuality around the world, is a
- cultural phenomenon, at least to a considerable degree (have you read
- Halperin's 100 Years of Homosexuality?). But what do I know, I'm not
- omniscient.
- >
- > The most ludicrous definition of 'minority' I've ever seen. Are you
- > so behind the times that you think you can spot a homosexual just by
- > looking at one? Gays generally don't want special hiring provisions,
- > just protection from losing a job because of bigotry!
-
- It is chiefly from my gay friends that I hear the assertion that they can
- "spot one from a mile away"!
- >
- > The REAL truth is that most folks who live in the twentieth century are
- > not disgusted by the behavior of gays. They're getting more and more
- > disgusted with intolerant behavior and discrimination of any form!
- >
- Well, there you go with this omniscience thing again. Who exactly are you
- talking about? People in Thailand? Saudi Arabia? China? Did it ever occur
- to you that assertions about "most people in the twentieth century" are
- bound to sound a little sweeping?
-
- > So it's "flaunting" to want the same rights --no more or less-- than
- > everyone else? Give me a break. Yeah, this topic doesn't belong here.
- > It doesn't belong anywhere.
-
- Well, just to make this relevant to the topic, allow me to restate my
- earlier conviction that LARC should be respected as an amateur radio
- organization, provided that they follow the same rules as everyone else.
- But I don't think that shrill and hysterical posts from EITHER side do much
- to shed light on the issues.
-
- We shouldn't have to be talking about it
- > because it shouldn't matter what people who mind their own business do
- > with their lives as long as they harm none. But there's always those
- > who think they know how everybody should live. Pardon my sounding bitter;
- > I'm a little tired of 30+ years of dealing with bigoted crap.
-
- You're welcome to be as bitter as you want to be; I just wondered whether
- you realized that your pretensions of knowing everything about the subject
- were merely bound to egg the other side on. I don't think it is a
- constructive stance.
- >
- > >Okay, lets all go over to .policy and continue the code debate
- > >and discuss antenna restrictions.
- >
- > Joe L. Reda | Separation of Church and State -- not just a good idea,
- > jlr@netcom.com | IT'S THE LAW!!
-
- Just for the record, the separation of church and state is not the law, but
- a recent interpretation of the law. The constitution merely prohibits the
- federal government from recognizing any particular denomination as the
- official religion of the United States. The states were still able to have
- state churches under the constitution, and several actually did, for
- several decades into the nineteenth century.
-
- Charles Hohenstein
- N9SQE
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